Welcome to IMOM Community Home

Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to contribute to this site by submitting your own content or replying to existing content. You'll be able to customize your profile, receive reputation points as a reward for submitting content, while also communicating with other members via your own private inbox, plus much more!

This message will be removed once you have signed in.

Diana C.

Trying to rescue another dog/Annabelle's Story

505 posts in this topic

Gosh Diana, I too would be scared to use something lie that without having experience first. I'm glad they're trying to help with your options though. Yea, of course she was sunning- you've already been absorbing her cares! :) Is there a chance they might be using the drug to catch another animal that you could go with them and observe? I know it is a long shot but...

If Friday comes and it turns out to not be the day, I'm sure you'll know what the best call to make is. You are already rescuing her even if she is not formally in custody yet.

The work you do is just wonderful and we're all grateful!

:heart:

Martha Jane and Baila

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Awww Diana, your persistance is definetely paying off. And Annabelle knows who feeds her. I would be leary of giving her something you know nothing about either. Riley my labx is petrified of having his nails clipped (the vet was very mean to him and cut way too short) anyways they gave me a sedative to give to him so I could cut his nails. Well the sedative worked until I tried to clip one of his nails. He came right out of his daze and fought pretty hard. After I left him alone he slept most of the day away.

Sorry to bable, what I am meaning is that even though it may sedate her, if her fear is strong enough the medication won't help.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for Friday. But like Martha Jane says if its not the day then you will know what to do.

You do a great job and we are all grateful for everything you do for these guys.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Martha Jane/Deb I totally agree with you both. PP is not that familiar with this medication either. Deb I fear the same thing, the medication could sedate her but once I try to pick her up (I don't even want to think about it).

So with no sleep I came up with a good plan I hope (LOL). First let me tell you how crazy my first plan was.

Friday me and a co-worker was taking off work, borrowing my husband truck and trying to rescue Annabelle ourselves. No one from the rescues were available to help us on that day. I could just picture me and Cindy (first trying to learn how to drive a huge Diesel and then trying to pick Annabelle up and gently place her in the crate). It may have worked if I knew Annabelle would be completely knocked out. God for bid she had a nervous reaction to the medication and started to vomit or who knows (sometimes my eagerness to help clouds my brain).

Okay so in my half sleep mode, I figured I would ask my husband if on Sunday we could go and try to rescue Annabelle. I will only feed her once tomorrow, won't feed her on Saturday and pray come Sunday she will be hungry enough to go into the trap for some Arby's Roast Beef Sandwiches. I will just place the trap out and go back to the car and let her wander by herself. I will leave little droppings so she can taste the food. If we can trap this way, it would be the best situation. My husband is more rational then I am and if in the event something goes wrong he is there to take charge. I send PP and Coopercloud Ranch an email asking if Sunday would work for them. So hopefully this plan works out.

Thanks so much ladies, I truly appreciate all your advice and support. Annabelle has become a part of my life and if I can rescue her I hope I can be a part of her life always. I wish I could take her myself, I have been throwing hints at my husband but the reality is, I am not being fair to Taz and Angel as is. With spending all my time trying to rescue all the strays, I don't give them the quality time I should. Angel has now become more attached to my husband and I feel bad OKAY JEALOUS....

Okay let me try to get some work done today.

Will keep you al informed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Diana, I'm glad to see the Sunday plan. I think it looks like the best yet. You know we'll be here praying for a good outcome! Still, if Annabelle isn't ready yet on Sunday, doing it this way is less risky. I don't know if the workers will be there on Sat or not, but if they are they might also have to be asked not to feed her that day. It's wonderful how you've gotten a whole team of people starting to watch out for Annabelle!

Again, You really are wonderful for doing all this and having such a giving, wonderful spirit!

:heart:

Martha Jane

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Diana,

I think the Sunday plan sounds good too. I don't know how she could resist Arby's, especially if you make sure she's really hungry.

I've used Acepromezine before. It's been around forever and it's really a fairly mild tranquilizer. I had a dog terrified of thunder - to the point where he would destroy the inside of the house. I hated giving him a tranquilizer, but it was better than him hurting himself and being totally stressed out. It takes about a half hour to work. Of course, I only gave him about 1/2 Ace and he was a big dog - about 85 pounds. It worked great, because all he did was just mellow out. It takes the edge off that fear. He looked like he'd had a few too many to drink! The problem I see is if you gave it to her and then still weren't able to catch her. It takes a while to wear off. This was before the days of "natural/homepathic" meds.

There is a homepathic "drug" called Rescue Remedy (made from flower essences). It's used a lot (with good results) for rescue dogs who are totally stressed out from being in shelters. I don't think you can get it in the health food stores, but they might have something comparable. My mom and dad had a black lab who was also terrified of thunder. We bought something at the health food store that worked on her. They were drops and we would just put them in the inside of her mouth. Within about 30 minutes, she would be relaxed enough that she would quit panting and pacing. Something like this won't knock Annabelle out - it will just relax her and help reduce the "fear" factor - maybe enough that either she'll maybe go in the crate or get close enough so that you can get her. You'll have to put it on the Arby's, so I would use a bigger dosage than they recommend. Putting it in the mouth, it goes directly to the bloodstream. Putting it in Arby's - you'll have to wait a while for it to work, so make sure there's plenty of it. It won't hurt her a bit. You might try calling a homepathic vet to see what they would recommend. Here are a few certified homepathic vets I found in your area. I'm sure if you explain what you're trying to do, they would advise over the phone. Heck - maybe you can talk one of them into coming out and helping!

Todd Rowe MD, MD(H), CCH, DHt

American Medical College of Homeopathy

"Transforming Lives"

2001 W. Camelback, Suite 150

Phoenix, Arizona 85015

602-347-7950; 602-864-2949(fax)

www.AMCofH.org

Karen Lyons , DVM

Desert Mobile Veterinary Service

2021 E Amber Lane

Gilbert , AZ 85296

USA

Phone: 480-497-6362

Fax: 480-497-3908

Species Preferences : SA

Percent Homeopathic Cases : under 25%

Phone Consultations Accepted

Judith Stolz , DVM

Desert Animal Wellness Center

1377 East Florence Blvd.

St. 147-181

Casa Grande , AZ 85222

USA

Phone: 520-494-9571

Fax: 520-494-9572

Species Preferences : SA, LA

Percent Homeopathic Cases : 75-100%

Phone Consultations Accepted

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Kris, if Annabelle is not completely knocked out I could not walk up to her and pick her up. I also fear if I gave her the medication and she did not go in the trap, it would take hours before the medication wore off. I dont want her to be alone lying in the bushes unable to protect herself if another animals comes.

I am praying she will just go in the trap on her own, if not I don't know I will go to plan C (what ever plan C may be LOL). Thanks so much for all your support.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I feel as if I take 2 steps forward then 3 steps back. I did not see Annabelle at all today, when I went to feed her lunch I noticed they started to landscape around the fence area and placed rocks all along the boarder. So there are no more openings and Anna's holes are now covered. I managed to squeeze her dish under the gate and ask the workers if they plan on pouring more rocks if they could move her food into the field, they said yes. They also said she has been chewing their wires on the fence. It appears the timing is perfect for me to get her out of there.

But when I went back tonight she was not there again, so I pulled up my chair got my Binoculars out and look around the entire field, no Anna. They closed up all the openings on both sides of the fence where I use to feed her, so I don't know how she will get under the fence on those sides? It makes it more difficult on Sunday to place the trap, because I originally planned to place it close to one of her openings, but now I am not sure where she comes out of and how far it is to the trap. I will have to put the trap where I normally would feed her just outside the gate and hope she can get under the fence.

I have the worlds biggest headache and need to take some aspirins.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh Diana, I'll bet you have a headache. So far Anna has had a good thing going there. While the workers and all the activity might be making her more shy for awhile, I don't think she'll want to change her stomping grounds entirely for some time, but if you can get to her that would be great!

You know we'll be out here rooting for you!

:heart:

Martha Jane and Baila

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Diana,

My thoughts will be with you. If it's meant to be, she'll be led to you. Keep the faith, kiddo - you're doing a great job!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This morning I checked her food and it appears she only ate the wet, left the dry. The workers were lay more rocks. I will be back around 10...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hang in there Diana, it will happen.

Too bad the workers had to block up all her holes. could they not have left just one for her until you got her?

I dont' think the rescue remedy would work either. I don't know if you have a wegmans where you are, but here in NY they carry it. Healthfood stores should carry it also. We have one here called Green Star Market and they also carry it.

I hope she is safe soon. I know if anyone can do it Diana, its you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is going to be a long 2 days. I went to fed Annabelle her last meal until Sunday. She was in the bushes, when I called her she look at me but still did not come to me she started walking further into the field. (I am overwhelmed with sadness). I don't know why she does not trust me yet, if she would only let me help her. I left her dry and wet food and a bone to keep her busy til Sunday.

I just don't have a positive feeling that I will get her on Sunday, but if I don't, I don't know how much longer she can stay there between the on going construction and now that they have fixed the fence if she starts digging holes again they may start to get upset.

Please Anna let me help you start a new beginning. Stay safe and I will see you on Sunday (hopefully).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Diana,

I know it's extreme, but have you thought about getting someone to help by darting her? I don't know what else to suggest as it sounds like she's going to lose her "home" shortly. I'll be thinking of you this weekend and hope that Anna realizes that she needs to let you help her...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Diana, I'm glad Kris brought up darting as I'd thought about this too. Yes, it seems like a desparate measure, but might be worth it if there's any possibility. What is on the other side of the fence? Can you get over there so if she can't get through you might be able to put a trap over there?

Well, we know you'll be stressed over all this until something is resolved. Bless you again for taking it and so much general goodness on. Our hearts will be with you on this weekends rescue attempt!

:heart:

Martha Jane, Baila and Crew

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Darting would be a good idea, if she doesn't trust you yet. Could you conact Paw Placement and see if they have or know of someone who would be able to do this for you.

I hope it goes well this weekend. I'll keep checking back for news

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Paw Placement nor the other rescues have access to a dart and they say the same thing, god for bid she took off and got hit by a car etc. The ony people that do darts are Vets and they won't help. I have to see what happens tomorrow and then figure out what to do from there. The fenced area is always locked and the company said they would escort me in the area, but I don't have the freedom to go in anytime. I will keep you posted.

Thanks guys.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Diana,

I watch that show Animal Planet Heroes Phoenix -- I think it's the ASPCA that it's about. Anyway, was watching a show not too long ago and watched them dart a dog, because I remember thinking about you being in Phoenix. Maybe an organization like that would help? The dog they darted was also very close to traffic. The dog bolted initially, but not very far at all - like maybe 20 feet - then got really groggy and went down. People who know how to dart plan for the "what ifs" like traffic, etc. They're pros at it and I'm sure have done it a number of times. Here's their phone number: (602) 246-8280. If nothing else, maybe they could find someone to help you!

Here's are numbers for the Animal Defense League of Arizona:

Statewide Administration Office

P.O. Box 43026

Tucson, AZ 85733

(520) 623-3101

adla@adlaz.org

Northern Arizona Regional Office

P.O. Box 1973, Flagstaff, AZ 86002

flagstaff@adlaz.org

(928) 773-8028

Central Arizona Regional Office

P.O. Box 33093, Phoenix, AZ 85067

phoenix@adlaz.org

(602) 273-7842

Southern Arizona Regional Office

P.O. Box 43026, Tucson, AZ 85733

tucson@adlaz.org

(520) 623-3101

Under "Stray Dogs & Cats" on their home page, they had these numbers listed:

Citizens for North Phoenix Strays| 602-375-2428

Citizens for Scottsdale Strays| 480-990-4428

They have a great website with tons of information for not only dogs and cats, but birds, horses, burros, etc. Animal Defense League of Arizona

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Kris, thank you soo much, we are on our way now to try to rescue Annabelle, if today's rescue does not work I will start calling the numbers you gave me first thing in the morning. Again thank you so much for your concern for Annabelle, she does not realize that there are so many good people in this world, she must have only experienced the bad one.

Coopercloud Ranch the rescue that is going to take her thru Paw Placement is a home based rescue, so Annabelle will be in a home, not a kennel. Robin said she has a dog that has been with her 2 years already because the dog is still fearful of people. The great thing is Robin said Annabelle can stay with her for as long as she needs, there is no timeframe and no rush to adopt her out. Robin will work with her and I plan on going to visit and help Annabelle get use to people.

Wish me luck and will let you know as soon as I get back.

THANKS EVERYONE>>>>>>>>>

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good luck Diana - I will be thinking of you

Our Nikko came from a resuce like the one you describe - he spent 13 months there waiting for a forever family after he was rescued from a collector that had 27 dogs in a double wide trailer - being held captive - 16 were dead, the others cannibalized the dead to survive - Nikko was one of 6 they thought could be rehabbed - and 13 months later we were blessed to meet him and make him a part of our family

Never give up

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you WIK, I wish I had good news, but I don't. My husband and I brought the trap to Annabelle's locations. Placed some Steak and Arby's RB in the trap and a little outside so she can eat a little then hopefully go in the trap. We left for awhile, came back, no sign of her. After 3 & 1/2 hours still no sign of Annabelle, she did not even touch the food that was outside the trap. I went back to my job and called for her, again no signs. So I put the trap behind my office building closed (can't take a chance on catching another animal at this time). I left the food by Annabelle's original location. Tomorrow I will call all the numbers Kris gave me, contact Indian Reservations to see if maybe they can help me with a dart gun and go to the company that owns the area Anna is staying in to see if they would allow me to place the trap inside the fence. I will never give up, my fear is with each passing day I am losing her instead of rescuing her. I don't know where she could have went today.

Thanks for all the support will keep you all informed.

Edited by Diana C. IMOM

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh darnit Diana -- I was so sure you would be successful today. I hope the phone numbers help. There has to be someone that can help dart her or do something else to help you. I know there are others out there who care a lot, so I guess it's just finding the right one. Anna sweetie, please stay safe until Diana can get you out of there...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When we were driving back to check on Anna, my husband seen something black as we turned on the block and said "she is in there" my heart dropped, I was so excited and nervous at the same time, saying OMG is this the right thing, what if she is crying, scared (I truly am not strong when I see an animal weak, sad or hurt). But as we got closer we realized she was not in the trap, even my husband was upset. I am hoping to see her in the morning then at least I know she is still around and I will move as quickly as I can to find help. Everything happens at once of course, I am working on another large project at work, coordinating our kick off which is next Tuesday for over 600 employees. My girlfriend from back east is coming in next Wednesday and we are driving to Sedona. This is all bad timing. I already asked one of my co-workers if in the event I don't catch Annabelle before next Wed will she please feed her for me, and Cindy said of course. I don't want to leave, but my girlfriend already purchased her tickets, she has a race in Sedona on Saturday, how can I tell her sorry AGAIN, but timing is not good.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Diana,

I just want to wish you good luck. I've watched Animal Planet Hero's Phoenix too. Hopefully they can help. Poor you, you must be worried sick. I hope everything comes together.

What a wonderful place Annabelle has to go to.

Hang in there, you've got all us wishing for her resuce too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Diana, I too really thought this would happen and want to add my 'hang in there' to the pile. I hope you can take some comfort in knowing you're doing all you can for her. I think it will happen somehow yet and agree, the place she can go sounds WONDERFUL!!

We're thinking about you!

:heart:

Martha Jane, Baila and Crew

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you all, I did not see Annabelle at all today.. I went to the company and they said I can put the trap in the fenced in area, which I did this morning. I called the numbers Kris gave me no returned calls as of yet. I was so nervous about the trap being in the fenced area, I only have access from 7AM - 3PM and that is when the workers are in there, so I went back around 1PM, she did not touch the food, so I closed the trap end, opened the other end where the food is and if the food is gone then I know for sure she is still there, But what happens if she gets trapped at 4:00PM and I can't get to her until 7:00AM, I can't bear her being in the trap for so many hours, I am truly at a lose on what to do. I went to the Indians Reservations Security office, but no one was there so I plan on calling their Animal Control directly to see about a dart gun. My stomach is in knots I don't know what is right anymore. I just wish she would come to me and jump in my car (okay someone else's car LOL) and off we go to a new life.

Will keep you informed. Thanks again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now